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Judge to Reconsider Gladden's Bail Following Mental Evaluation

The teen indicted in shooting at Perry Hall High School has 30 days to re-apply for bail.

 

UPDATED (11:30 a.m.)—The teen accused in the August shooting at Perry Hall High School remains in jail following a bail review hearing.

Robert W. Gladden Jr. will remain in jail until the release of a mental health evaluation in his case, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge John Grason Turnbull III ruled Thursday.

Gladden, 15, faces 29 criminal charges including attempted first-degree murder and assault related to the Aug. 27 shooting incident at Perry Hall High School.

Columbia attorney Clarke Ahlers, who is representing Gladden, elaborated on the judge's decision. "The child, as you know, has been reported to be suicidal and we would need to know that or would have to take it into consideration," Ahlers said.

Turnbull said the mental health report must be submitted by state officials within 30 days. Gladden could re-apply for bail at that time.

Gladden appeared in court for the hearing sporting the same long brown hair shown in his booking photo. He wore shackles and and a black t-shirt with the words "Rock Republic" on the back. He stood at the table reserved for defendants and did not speak.

The teen was released to the Baltimore County Detention Center yesterday where he remains on suicide watch.

Ahlers said Gladden has asked about the condition of Daniel Borowy, the 17-year-old Perry Hall student injured in the shooting and "expressed deep sorrow for the child that was injured in this case and for his conduct in this case."

"I'm not positive exactly what his motivation is and I don't think he's positive exactly what his motivation was. You're dealing with a child who was primarily motivated to commit suicide by cop," Ahlers said. "What he was doing was acting out in a terrible fashion in the hopes that someone other than him would pull the trigger on him and that he would perish."

Ahlers also extended Gladden's family's "thoughts and prayers" to the family of Borowy.

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ORIGINAL POST:

Robert W. Gladden Jr. will remain in jail pending the release of a mental health evaluation.

Gladden, 15, faces 29 criminal charges including attempted first-degree murder and assault related to the Aug. 27 shooting incident at Perry Hall High School.

At a Thursday morning hearing, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge John Grason Turnbull said the report must be completed within 30 days. Gladden could re-apply for bail at that time.

Gladden appeared in court for the hearing sporting the same long hair in his booking photo. He wore shackles and and a black t-shirt with the words "Rock Republic" on the back. He stood at the table reserved for defendants and did not speak.

The teen was released to the Baltimore County Detention Center yesterday where he remains on suicide watch.

Stay with Patch for updates on this story.

Related Topics: Bail review, Baltimore County Circuit Court, John Grason Turnbull, Perry Hall High School, Perry Hall High School Shooting, Robert Gladden Jr., and baltimore county detention center

Jeanne

12:28 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Really are they going to just slap Bobby on the wrist and possibly give hime time served. I understand waiting on the report so his attorneys can't use that as a loop hole to get him free. In otherwards if his rights are protected and everything by procedure,if there is a better word feel free to correct me, so the lawyers can't use that as part of the defense. WBAL news at Noon said that when the report is in the attorney can file for Bobby being charged as a juvenile=NO!!!!! Adult crime=adult punishment. Yes Bobby needs help but he ALSO needs to pay for his crimes. Please justice don't be blind or just want to give him a hug and please don't release this boy. Get him help in jail but don't set him free.

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E G

9:41 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Jeanne do you have kids? I do. I have three teenage boys. They are not like Bobby, but if I didn't give them the love and attention and encouragement and nutrition and medical attention they need, they certainly could be. Mental imbalances run in my family. I, myself, border on dementia and without medications and proper nutrition and CONTROL of the condition, it will destroy me - just like any other illness such as cancer, HIV, leprosy! Just because you can't physically see the disease yet with our medical probes and microscopes doesn't mean it's not VERY real and has VERY real symptoms and physical painful effects. I would bet my life that Bobby has neurological problems. Diet, activity levels, long exposure to repetitive video and sound , lack of light exposure, verbal abuse, emotional abuse all play key roles in serotonin and endorphin levels things that keep a person happy, motivated, responsible and wanting to live. You mess with that combination and you get people like Bobby. Apparently his parents had no idea and didn't think there was anything wrong with their dark, sad, moping, lethargic child who craved happiness but couldn't find it and wallowed in all of the things that represented death - his only relief from his painful mental hell.

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Joan M Erline

11:50 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Bobby is obviously troubled but if the chance exists he could be tried as a juvenille is ridiculous. Where are the rights of the victim? He will suffer with the effects of this for the rest of his life.

Eric Martin

5:30 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

There will eventually be a reverse waiver hearing to send the case to the juvenile court system. While the juvenile court system is set up to treat and rehabilitate the children, it can keep violent offenders in a secure treatment facility until they are 21 years old. That would be preferable to a time-served result in adult court that would put the defendant on probation and into the community. Either way the dice will be rolled. A plea of Not Criminally Responsible is another possibility, depending on the mental evaluation.

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E G

9:29 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

I hope this is what happens. He needs help. And even being in a secured facility with medications and staff who understand his condition could be life saving/changing for him. What a sad, sad story.

DK

6:44 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Absolutley right Eric..I just wonder if he has a juvenile record.

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Steve

7:04 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

The Sunpapers article said that "Gladden had no prior contact with law enforcement."

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Other Tim

7:11 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

If the Sunpaper said it, it must be true. They check and doublecheck everything they print, and never print any false, incorrect or misleading information.

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T.H.

7:33 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

The only thing the sunpaper is good for is eating crabs,

Steve

7:23 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

I didn't comment as to the accuracy of it. I just commented that they reported it.

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T.H.

7:31 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Is this Judge nuts NO BAIL.

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Jimmy

11:26 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

That judge is SPOT ON! The boy is a predator. It doesn't matter how he got to that point, he is there now. As I stated before, a parent who's child grew up with Gladden said he was a problem since day one.

E G

9:25 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

That boy needs help, not prison. He didn't mean to shoot Daniel. He only wanted to die very badly because he was so sad. When the cop tackled him, the gun went off shooting Daniel by mistake. It wasn't Bobby's intention or fault. It's his parents fault for not noticing his condition and making the changes needed. Chemical imbalances are REAL and this poor boy was a victim of that. I know that healthy, NON-Chemically imbalanced people couldn't even begin to understand what it's like to live in that frame of mind. Right now, Bobby is being tortured just by existing. I don't know him, but I love him and wish I could help him. I understand. Of course, I feel bad for Daniel too. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it was not attempted murder. I was a suicide gone wrong. I feel like we are living in the dark ages sometimes with people's prejudice and hateful opinions. :( I doubt Bobby will ever be ok. He will be scarred forever by this and since it's not likely that he will get the help he needs due to the excessive charges slapped against him and people's inability to see what's happening to him. There are so many other kids like him out there that have snapped too and just didn’t hurt anyone when they successfully killed themselves. I hope against the odds, he gets help or he can find peace in death. I feel his pain.

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Ashley

9:58 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Rightttt. Listen, if someone wants to die so badly they'll just up and kill themselves. He seems like a little bitter emo kid who was all angry at the world because mommy and daddy didn't pay attention to him and the kids at school thought he was weird. You know what though? That's life. Everyone suffers at some point or another. So many kids come from situations just like this one. These things happen and you have choices you can make. If he wanted to end his life so badly he could have very easily just taken that gun and shot himself. He could have reached out and said hey I need to talk to someone. I need help. He didn't though. Instead he took that gun to school and shot a mentally disabled kid (Who may have not been who he was aiming for, but he intended to shoot someone, don't delude yourself on that one). He's a coward. And for the record, you are incorrect, the gun didn't go off when police tackled him because guess what? The police didn't tackle him. A teacher did after he fired the first round and then a second round went off as they pinned him against a wall.

And you think he's going to be scarred? What about Daniel? The INNOCENT in this. Your sympathy is woefully misplaced and the fact that you're more concerned about some douche that decides that violence is the answer to his problems instead of the innocent boy is depressing. He deserves to be punished, not coddled.

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T.H.

10:46 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Another Bleeding Heart the jerk still intended to shoot someone no matter when some lying scum defense ambo chaser says. He is noting but a gutless punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ryan

11:15 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG, I don't think society would be any worse if he were to just kill himself. If I were his prison gaurd instead of taking his shoe laces I would let him have them and then tell him why we take most other peoples shoelaces.

What good is this fool going to do for us as a society. Yes, his parents probably ruined him, but that does not make him any less dangerous. He is broken and if he acts out by shooting people he deserves to die.

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Gomer Pyle

2:22 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG, Don't give me this crap that Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was where he was suppossed to be, in school eating lunch and not bothering anyone. "Poor Bobby"....give me a break, he wasn't the one who ended up with a large hole blown in his body. How about the kids who are scarred emotionally from having to witness this, or the parents that had to be mentally tortured wondering if their kids were okay? Does this boy need help? Of course he does. Because unfortunately, one day he will walk out of jail and potentially be a threat to others. Here's an idea, how about you let him live with you when he gets out.

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JayDee

2:50 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time? For crying out loud - He was in a high school cafeteria eating his lunch. The only kid that was in the wrong place at the wrong time was Bobby. He had no business being in that school. He was an armed predator and Daniel is the victim in this whole mess.

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Guest

6:09 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

He fired the first shot. It did not go off accidentally. The second shot went into the ceiling of the school. This is fact.

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Jeanne

8:37 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Hi E.G. I do have a child and I am very proud of him. I have been a volunteer in B.C.P.S. for 15 years now and have a degree in early childhod education. I have been around students, over the years, that have a terrible home life but not one of them brought a gun or any other weapon to school. Bobby brought 21 shellcases because the last one he wanted to use on himself. He wanted to use the other 20 on students, staff, or causing damage. What he did do was load the shotgun and shoot a young man (my understanding is Daniel was never his target) and if it weren't for a guidance counselor who stopped him from shooting another student who knows how many people he would have shot. The shooting caused panic and in the panic other people were injured. There was never a report of Bobby asking about the boy he shoot or their family until he got a lawyer so we know that is the lawyer talking. Bobby was well aware of what he was doing, he had too much time from getting on the bus til when he was stopped to think about what he was doing and he did it anyway. You are right Bobby does need help but he also needs to go to jail for what he did.

Eric Martin

10:18 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

There is a report circulating that Robert Gladden was expelled from Perry Hall Middle School for harassing another student. Apparently his behavior was manifesting itself prior to this incident at the high school.

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sj

11:39 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

this is true...and yes this child was bullied by many different ppl, students and family..this child acted out as the only way he knew how...i blame his parentsand the school system for not getting him the appropriate help that he needed before it got to this point...he said he wanted to die by the cops but i also believe if he did not intend to harm any students then he would have brought an empty gun, if it was really his intentions. we may never know exatly what was in his mind but what i do know is that we as a community need to wake up and pay attention to the generation and give them the guidance and help that they need before something tragic like this happen. let this be a lesson to all! words do hurt, and they cut deep, but guns in the wrong hands take lives. cure the problem before it festures into situations like this.

E G

10:34 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

I meant to say teacher, not cop. Gladden did not intend to fire his weapon, he only shot when he was tackled by a school guidance counselor who SAW the gun in his jacket. This kid, in his MESSED UP mind, after following so many hate acts by so many of his UNHAPPY, ANGRY idols took the WRONG approach to get attention. His parents should have BEEN there for him and given him what he needed. Whether it was more love, more activity, a better diet, more attention, more praise, less ANGER and HATE talk - like the sign they had on their door that said, "We don't call 911" with a pic of a GUN? Where do you think this CHILD got these ideas from? His evil little bitter EMO BRAIN? No, his ENVIRONMENT pushed his broken brain down the wrong road. Do you think Bobby ever saw a piece of whole grain bread or a green vegetable? Or did eat what he could get for himself out of a wrapper? Does that boy look like he’d been to regular doctor’s visits for a doctor to even catch his condition? I mean c’mon it looks like they barely took him to a BARBER for Christ sake! Who even gave Bobby a second thought? Not his parents, not guidance, not his friends or his friends parents. They looked at him like YOU DO, Miss Ashley -- "Look at that bitter Emo kid he's so dumb *bully *bully" People like you shot Daniel. Actually people like you are going to kill Bobby too.

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Ashley

11:11 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Honey, you know absolutely nothing about me. I WAS the outcast kid and can definitely sympathize with the depression, anxiety, and other issues. I came from a broken home and I went through many of my own mental issues which I dealt with. In fact, that's the whole reason I have no sympathy for him. He lost any right to sympathy the moment he took a gun into that school with the intent to shoot someone. You can say what you want, but he took twenty rounds of ammo with him. He came prepared. And again, you fail to realize that there were two shots fired. The first one was the one that hit Daniel. The second one that went off by accident when he was tackled hit no one.

We all have choices. He choose to use violence instead of seeking help. Have you seen his facebook page? Are you aware that he had the Columbine killers listed as "inspirational people"? (You seem like you'd cut them a break too. You know they were bullied too. I guess that means they wouldn't have deserved jail if they lived.) That his job was listed as "Murder/Suicide with the Manson family"? He's very obviously a boy that was deprived of attention and became reclusive and bitter about it. He had every intention of going out with a bang (literally). You don't seem to see the larger picture of him. Waste your sympathy on someone who deserves it because he doesn't.

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Balt Observer

11:20 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

LOL...so you blame Bobby's behavior on some speculation that he didn't eat whole grain bread or green vegetables? Do you even believe this crap that you write?

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Jimmy

11:37 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

First, If he wanted to committ suicide by cop, he wouldn't need ammunition, only the gun. He brought a shotgun and shells to school. He broke down the gun to be able to conceal it. He had a plan. That's intent! Also, there are cameras in the cafeteria. I seriously doubt he would have been charged with 9 counts of attempted murder if the SA didn't have the evidence to back it up. I am confident the shot was BEFORE he was tackled. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact he is troubled, but the FACT is he DID bring a gun to school, He DID pull the trigger, He DID bully other children his WHOLE school carreer...starting in first grade!!! He WAS suspended - SEVERAL TIMES. He DID spend most of 8th grade at alternative schools. What don't all you bleeding hearts understand?!?!?!?

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TMR

3:16 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG,
As a parent of a child at PHHS I must let you know your info is incorrect. The FIRST shot that was fired by Gladden hit Daniel. As Mr. Wasmer tackled Gladden, another shot was fired into the ceiling. Anyway, does that really matter?? This boy has had issues since Elementary School and should not have been allowed to attend school alongside the rest of our sons and daughters. Aren't our children allowed to go to school and feel safe? Gladden has a well DOCUMENTED history of altercations with fellow students for many years. Why does one troubled child seem to have more rights than the entire student body at PHHS?? The issue isn't who is to blame for his problems...Our children need to be protected from students like this. My priority is not Bobby, My priority is my son who had to send me a text message on his first day of school that there had been a shooting. Everyone's worried about "poor Bobby". What about the other 2200 kids and their families?! My child attended school with him from first grade, he was not bullied like people think he was. Bobby threatened other students. Other kids were afraid of HIM. How can you even say he didn't mean to shoot anyone? He took a shot gun and 21 bullets to school. He went in the bathroom, LOADED that gun and returned to the cafeteria, pulled the trigger. He changed alot of young lives that day. No more excuses!

Sandy B

11:07 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Ashley is right...the teacher tackled Gladden AFTER he shot Daniel and then the gun fired a SECOND time because he was tackled. Gladden definitely meant to shoot Daniel. My daughter was bullied in high school but she did not go to school and shoot an innocent child. Thats what is wrong with society today, everyone looks out for the criminal and not the victims. Its a shame this world is so screwed up.

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E G

11:16 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

You all are fortunate to have been raised right and not need to worry about such ailments. That's wonderful and I am so happy your children are bullied and can take it. Considering you are posting on the Arbutus Patch you likely would have kids in school with MY kids. So I hope your child doesn't take your view of things and torture anyone else for being a gutless punk and drive them to shoot my child in the Chaos. I would be sad for my childs injury but sad also for the child who was neglected to get to that deranged state. It's not a pity party or excusing wrong. It's just how it is. I can't say for sure if the gun went off before or after contact. It's been reported BOTH ways so apparently there is some doubt which leaves room for conjecture.

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E G

11:21 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

And just because you were bullied ashley does not mean you had a chemical imbalance and handled it. LOL funny how some healthy people think that because they can fight a common cold a person with a comprised immuned system is a weak punk. Nice.

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Ashley

11:53 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

I never said I was bullied. I said I was an outcast. With my own set of problems. Which DID require medicine and years of therapy. Like I said, you don't know the first thing about me. And yes, I do think he's weak. Weak cowards choose violence. Strong people do what they need to to make things right.

E G

11:25 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Ryan LOL what use is he to you? To society? Hahaha. How about he is a child and its sad that he was not loved. And maybe death is his only fix now but he does not DESERVE to.die. your practically saying that if an outbreak occurred to a city and they were going to infect the world because there was no cure you would nuke them all because now that they offer you no benefit to society they DESERVE to die. Omg I hope you have not bred.

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E G

11:51 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

This is interesting how everyone is looking at his history of violence and problems but was he treated for any of it? Being monitored? How the heck did he even get out the door with a gun or his parents not see his Facebook post or who he was publically a fan of? How did this child get let into the public school at Perry Hall at all? What normal responsible adult let THAT happen? A child that had issues that young should have been helped LONG AGO. That's just even more proof that he needs help. Not prison sentences with adult criminals that are likely messed up in the head too. If your child showed signs of being unable to do anything incorrectly do you and your neighbors just stand by and say "oh he has had trouble walking since age one. So he drags himself on the ground." No, you get him a diagnosis, treatment, therapy or a freaking wheelchair. If your child shows signs of being unable to see the blackboard, do you say "oh she has had trouble with seeing things right since she was two." No, you get her some glasses. Bobby doesn't deserve harsh consequences and I certainly am not saying hug him and put him back in school with some Prozac. I am saying he needs to be kept in a hospital with medicine, therapy, nutrition, love, patience and understanding and some good guidance. No wonder we have so many messed up people. Everyone is so harsh to judge.

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Ryan

12:04 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

If I could point to one cause of our great country’s downward slide I would point to people like you EG. So many people always want to pass the buck, blame someone else, and never look inward. This is wrong, and it needs to change. If you are even well enough to work EG, I bet you are the person who is always mad at your mangers and coworkers for you not getting ahead, not that it would never be your fault.

I think the consequence should fit the crime, and maybe we should have both his parents killed too. Who knows, seems they are not great people anyhow. Maybe it would be doing them a favor because I can’t imagine wanting to live if one of my kids did something like this.

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Steve

12:10 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Sounds like you people want to adopt Sharia Law........

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Ryan

12:19 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Yeah Steve Sharia Law is exactly like killing someone who kills another person. I’m not saying that if a girl shows her ankles she should be beheaded.

Nice try.

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E G

1:05 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Ryan, I work and have worked full time jobs with my kids. I don't have much time for me and I never blame anyone for my lack of effort. No one is harder on me than me. I only have a little more compassion for people considering what their problem is. Naturally, if someone steals and then tries to hide it and it was purely a selfish thing that went too far, you know punishment and rehabilitation is possible. If someone is so far gone that they lose grip on reality and go on killing sprees and think about killing themselves, there is something wrong. And with a child - that should not happen. It's obviously abnormal and he needs help. Kids don't understand things like adults do. They don't recognize problems and feel the need to seek treatment. With our age comes understanding and responsibility to seek help. My own 14 year old son would not recognize a need to get a physical doctor checkup or pay rent until he experiences the need for it, understands it and has to do it himself. That's why humans don't leave their young at birth like some other animals can and they just survive. They need assistance for many years. In Bobby's case, YES it was his parents fault and the fault of any other adults that noticed his behavior and had an input and didn't do enough - like school guidance, doctor's, coaches etc who had him in their care. That's not passing the buck. That's placing blame where it's due.

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Jeanne

9:37 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG if any students went to school with Bobby they know his history and as far as being treated for it the school system did try but they can only do so much, they are not his parents. Again this goes back to the parents, how did he get out the door of his father's and possibly his mother's house with a shotgun, 21 shellcases, a bottle of vodka on any day? (I say possibly his mothers because we know he got the shotgun from his fathers house but I dont know which house he was at that morning) Why wasn't the facebook checked by his parents or one of the 14 friends he had that morning say something to an adult? Both good questions but I don't think we will ever get the answers. Yes Bobby needs help but he ALSO needs to pay for his adult crimes and go to jail. You have to understand Bobby is a minor so his parents were made aware of all the problems, had to sign lots of things and still did nothing. Bobby is NOT a child and needs to pay as an adult.

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ginger macknight

7:25 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

. This is a child who had a terrible life from birth with father and stepfather involved in guns and drugs and crimes and violence. That was his home. Isn;t it interesting that the kids knew he was being bullied and harassed and humiliated but not one teacher ever saw anything? Not one teacher or adult or school counselor that he had in his 10 years of schooling could ever think of one single positive thing to say about him! Not one. What happened to the bullies who were making his life in school a hell? They are the catalysts who are causing so much friction and desperation in children and students who have no adults to guide them. Why wasn't the father or step father who practically placed the rifle into his hands not charged. They couldn't charge the father or step father or the bullies or the teachers to whom he was invisible but they charge this boy with VODKA!!!! That just shows he is getting railroaded. He is a child and they want to murder him by the law of our state? They think that he should be in prison with drug pushers and murderers and thugs and rapists. Guess what is going to happen to him? I would commit suicide if that was my horrible future. I pray for him and for miracle against this mob.

E G

11:54 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

Ashely the differnce is you had therapy and meds. Bobby didn't. What don't you get?

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T.H.

11:56 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

The only therapy this scumbag needs is to be placed in maxium security and poassed around like the B***& he is

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Ashley

12:15 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I didn't seek help for my issues until I was in my twenties. I'd say that negates your "difference". I know many people that came from broken homes, had crap parents, and have a chemical inbalance. None of them react with violence. He displays sociopath tendencies and doesn't belong in society. What don't you get?

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Jeanne

9:46 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

You need to give kids more credit, they understand more then you think. Most of the teenagers I am around understand you have to go to the doctors for a check up, they understand you have to pay your bills on time in full, they understand they have to do their studies or get a lower grade, if you have a job you can't be late and have to follow the rules or you get fired. Why doesn't your 14 year old son understand such common sense things? Not trying to be mean just don't understand.

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PerryHallCrafter

2:07 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

E G, there were early reports that Bobby was in therapy after his parent's divorce. Unless you are his parent, caregiver or therapist, how do you know if he has ever had prescriptions or what his condition is? I have two children with developmental disabilities and there is no guarantee that someone with or without a "condition" of any kind could snap. Decent, hardworking people who have never exhibited a violent moment in their lives have shown up and killed their former boss who handed down a lay off notice. Men have lost their jobs and faced the loss of their home and the inability to provide for their family and shot them all in a fit of sudden depression and anguish. There is no precursor to predict this sort of thing. Just because he had to eat wonder bread instead of Nature's promise and canned corn instead of green beans has nothing to do with this. He brought that gun to school to KILL SOMEONE. If you just want "suicide by cop" then why bring all those shells? I have decades of experience with mental illness and children with special needs, so you so obviously have an agenda here pertaining to this boy. Blame belongs with Bobby and those who chose to raise him the way they did have to live with themselves. I cannot believe you said that Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was a young man eating lunch in school. No one said "no compassion for Bobby" but please, he's guilty.

Eric Martin

11:58 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

There is no doubt in my mind that it was an intentional act. If you bring a gun anywhere and point it at someone it is an intentional act. If you then pull the trigger, that removes all doubt. Now as to his motivations, that is a different subject entirely. But let's just get this notion that it wasn't intentional out of here right now.

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E G

12:10 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I never said the kid was being manipulated by remote control. The human brain is so far beyond our understanding. Why do you think anyone does what they do? Why do people strap bombs to themselves, jump off bridges, crash planes into buildings, drink poisoned koolaid...something that none of US would do. But what was wrong with them that they DID? We have not developed the phrase, "he's out of his mind" for no reason. Typically what a child grows up with will influence the majority of his future. Some kids pull out of their low environment and go on to be better than their upbringing because they saw something or heard something or felt something that urged them to. They were stroger, more fit, more enthusiastic who the hell knows why some people are happy and friendly and others are dark and gloomy? But we are all riddled with defects and diseases and handicaps so much deeper than our own minds can even control. If anyone ever finds the answer we will have world peace. Obviously we are not close so until then it would be nice if at least the poor KIDS who should be covered under adult protection be assisted on the road to recovery until they are adults and able to be medically cleared for release and normal function in society.

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E G

12:22 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Still shaking my head that you clearly agree he displays sociopath traits and yet you still think he's mentally competant for his actions. Are not sociopaths mentally deranged individuals? Yessssss....so right there he doesn't deserve torture. He deserves to be treated and put out of his misery. Do YOU like the things Bobby likes? Do YOU want to murder people? No. Why does he? What caused you to seek help? Being still clear minded enough to realize you were feeling wrong and seek help? Bobbys condition he doesn't KNOW its wrong. His parents should have and they didn't. So the authorities should put Bobby in HUMANE treatment and then go spay and neauter his parents. Or maybe they need help too and just had not got as bad as Bobby as to HURT anyone other than him. :(

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Ashley

12:33 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I think he belongs in jail. Should we let Manson out? He's a sociopath. I'm sure we could "rehabilitate" him too.

Bart

12:47 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

He's a FIFTEEN year old mentally ill CHILD. Can he be rehabilitated? Nobody knows. But if he is executed, we'll never know, and this brutal society will be the worst for it.

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PerryHallCrafter

2:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Why would anyone be executing him? He didn't kill anyone. ????

Tim

1:11 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Threads like this remind me of the sad hypocrisy of some folks being critical of how other countries in the Middle East 'handle their business'.

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E G

1:12 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Let me just say also to Ashley and Ryan and anyone else I have been talking to - I know I don't know anything about you or your personal lives and values as you know nothing about me either. We are all here expressing our opinion about this young man and the sad story surrounding him. Please don't take what I am saying personally. The point of having this website is to express opinion and debate. I enjoy reading the input and making my statements as much as you all do. I am not on here to make enemies so I would like you to know I am saying everything in pure argumentative banter, not to be a jerk or say your opinions are lesser than mine. I do hope, though, that if anyone else reads this that has any connection to that poor boy, they take compassion on him and do what they can to help him or keep him safely away from those he can harm while doing no additional harm to him. It's a sad sad sad thing. It's my worst nightmare!!!!

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Balt Observer

1:18 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I am curious if you would feel quite as charitable to poor young Bobby if it was your child that he shot.

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Ashley

1:56 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I'm not trying to make enemies with you either. I just majorly disagree with you. He's got problems, I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but I don't believe that sticking him in a mental health facility until he's twenty one is the answer. Had it not come to such a drastic scenario it could be feasible, but he went to the school with the intent to kill others and be killed himself. He almost succeeded. He's lucky that boy didn't die or he'd be in a bigger mess than he already is. What good is rehabilitation without punishment? All that shows is that you can blame it on a mental illness and get away with it. He deserves to spend his time in jail for the crime committed. He can get help while in prison, but he needs to be put in jail not a hospital. Actions have consequences and a slap on the wrist for what he did is unacceptable.

E G

3:00 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

I would take him into my home If it had been my child hurt I would feel no differently towards Bobby. I can say this honestly because I have had my son attacked in school physically...nothing close to shot, but another child targeted him and ultimately cornered him alone in the Gym supply closet after PE and beat him with a Tennis raquette. I notified the proper personel but I asked my son who this child was, what their home life was like and discovered she was an abandoned child who's druggie mom had left her. she had been tossed from home to home. She was angry, unloved and unwittingly taking it out on easy innocent targets with hardly any motive other than misdirected emotion. I coached my son in compassion, told him to befriend her, show her what caring and friendship are. He did and by the next school year this girl did not get suspsended once and they are currently dating. Obviously she was not on Bobbys level....yet. I can't prove she changed from a good example or some love but kids, especially teens, are hormonal, sensitive time bombs. I hope parents take Bobbys case as an eye opener to go take a second look in their kids room, throw them another compliment and a few extra hugs. I know they can't just let him go free with a pill bottle and weekly therapy sessions. He needs major work and it is possible for him to change if he had one person giving him the right care consistantly. Thatll never happen tho with the majority of people looking at it the way you all do. :(

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Balt Observer

3:36 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Nice that your story turned out well, but the answer to dealing with violent, erratic people isn't always love and nurturing. That is playing with fire, and eventually someone can end up getting burned, badly.

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TMR

3:43 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG,
Just curious, don't you feel a need to keep your children safe from a known threat such as Gladden. BCPS policy states that a student may return to school after one year's expulsion after using a firearm on school property. Do you want YOUR child riding the bus with Gladden? Do you want YOUR child sitting next to him in Math class? Do you want YOUR child eating lunch with him in the cafeteria? The excuses are what led to this problem to begin with. He was given access to a social worker, a guidance counselor and a school liason. How many chances to you give someone. Don't you think it's enough already? At some point Gladden should be kept away from society. At what point do you think that is???

Gomer Pyle

3:37 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Your "son" let a "girl" corner him in a closet and beat him with a tennis racket? Then you say that they ended up dating? I'm not sure what is more pathetic, your son getting beat up by a girl or a parent that would allow their child to date someone who physically abused them.

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Gomer Pyle

4:03 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Actually, I now feel very pathetic that I fell for the troll known as E G. Good job, you had a lot of us going for a while there.

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Balt Observer

4:15 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Indeed. If it is actually true, there are some weird psychiatric issues going on in that household.

tocrazy

6:30 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

EG - have you ever heard of a sociopath? Gladden is a sociopath! My source, who has had bobby as a student in the past, had told me he could/can be quite the charmer. I do think the boys parents are mostly to blame. How can you not see your child is well,...... On the path of being pyscho! I've known his mother in the past, went to school together. Anyway, she divorces Bobby's father because he's abusive. Then she marries another bum!!! Way to go mom!!! That's looking out for your children's best interest! I do pray & hope bobby does get the help he needs, but how many sociopaths have we seen get better?

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E G

6:52 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Gomer Pyle your icon is fitting. Your a complete moron. I have said multiple times this kid should have been pulled out of social circulation years ago by the responsible adults. He should never have been allowed to attend PHH. The kids that witnessed the horror, I feel extremely bad for, so don't mistake my feelings as being cold for them and all warm and fuzzy for Bobby. EVERYONE suffered by the lack of adult responsibility to help that kid and keep him away from your kids. They could have avoided this entirely and saved Daniel injury, the kids nightmares and Bobby life in prison tortured inside his own head. The only thing I will take back is that Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I meant to imply that him being the injured person was not personal. So however you want to say it...Daniel was in the RIGHT place at a bad time or Bobby was in the wrong place every time. All of the kids are victims in this but only Daniel and the witnessed are being pampered for trauma. What about Bobby? Who's gonna make him allright? He needs help too. Smh.

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Balt Observer

7:18 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Who's gonna make Bobby alright? Well, he wants to be a thug. There are plenty of thugs where he's going that will help him out with his wishes.

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Jeanne

9:59 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

A school age child/teenager has the righ to an education and it can not be taken from them for extended times because of behavior. That is why they have these other schools they are sent to & Bobby attended but if the student appears to be okay they can not leave him in these schools til graduation. Also because Bobby is a minor at least on of his parents had to sign off on everything so they were aware of what was going on. Don't blame the school system blame the parents.

E G

7:26 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Your likely right. It's a shame and I gotta stop thinking about it cuz it's too depressing. I wonder how his mom feels right now. And I bet behind his delusioned thug appearance he is a scared little boy who can't figure out why he is even alive. If he ends up in prison I would have to sadly say I hope he learns to tie his shoe laces and whatever comes after is better than what he got here. I will forever remember Bobby and my heart aches for children like him. Have a nice night all. If you have kids, give them an extra hug and check their Facebook page. I'm out.

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E G

10:38 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

Jeanne, my 14 yr old son is in every GT class and can solve math problems in his head faster than I can repeat them but he can't tell the difference between sarcasm and seriousness and doesn't always remember to look both ways before crossing the street. My 13 yr old son is small and frail and KIND and LOVING. He is brilliant also but if I don't remind him daily he would forget to wear a shirt to school. My 11 yr old son is normal, smart and could remind both of his brothers of when their doctors appointments are and what vaccinations they need. My 5 yr old son is sweet, smart and a pathological liar, my 3 yr old son is smarter than all of them put together. Combined the whole lot scares the crap out of me. All of these kids grew up together with the same environment, same love and medical attention. I know that there is something WRONG inside their brains. Something is not lighting up in there. It doesn't make MY kids dangerous but it makes them DIFFERENT. I have mental issues also. I KNOW what it feels like in there. I am only saying that I know a lot of kids have troubled lives and they didn't shoot anyone does not mean those kids had nureological problems. I fully can relate to Bobby and the very high possibility the poor boy has a real medical problem and it was mistaken for disrespect and evil when really something upstairs just wasn't working right. I dunno. Just a mommy thing.

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JP

2:43 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

TMZ, I am with you, my son was in the cafeteria that day, and still has issues about it. We have taken the correct steps to get him help, where were the parents of Bobby? The Mother ended up with a guy that has a record longer than Bobby's father. The step father has over 20 recorded run ins with the law, one by the way was attempted murder.. With all of the issues Bobby had in school, why didn't someone give the parents some type of psychological testing? They clearly were not able to handle a child like that. They couldn't even handle their own lives. I am MAD that a child like that was allowed to remain in the care and custody of a couple idiot adults.....

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Jeanne

1:41 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

JP I wish your son a full recovery, I am glad he wasn't physically hurt but everyones emotions were effected. One of the things I said in another post was it was a shame the state/county didn't take Bobby from his home life. Between his father's and step-father's arrest records and problems with his Mother I think someone dropped the ball not doing something about getting Bobby a better home enviroment.Sadly with very little warning it is easy to fake people out when they come to check your house so this might have been tried and they got faked out. I do think Bobby needs help and I don't think he will get the right kind of help in jail but because of the crimes he knowingly commited he belongs in jail.

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E G

7:03 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

PerryHallParent,
If he was on meds and in therapy they would have reported it as such and it would have been a whole different story of the mental patient that snapped. It was rather reported that the suicide murder punk teen who's parents had gun signs on their front door viciously attempted to assasinate an innocent boy in school. You obviously did not read my other post where I said i did not mean Daniel was in the wrong place at the wrong time as if he was not allowed in school. I meant it only that Daniel was not specifically targeted for a reason. He was in the right place, obviously being in school as required, but it turned out to be the "wrong place" to be standing that day if you don't wanna get shot by the disturbed classmate. Ok? So if you really think that I think Bobby is wonderful and Daniel was dumb for being in school, you can't read.

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ginger macknight

7:42 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

What would have happened if his father or stepfather had not left his rifle ready for the taking? What would have happened if those bullies had not bothered him or humiliated him in public by throwing food at him and laughed at him so everyone could see that he was a loser? What would have happened if his parents had paid attention to him while those wild fights were going on in front of a toddler and baby and first grader.... had not witnessed the madness and the violence? What would have happened if a single teacher had noticed his change of clothes and dyeing of his hair and had bothered to ask a question of him that showed an element of concern. What would have happened if the school had taken an proactive stance and given the kids questionnaires regarding bullying and asked : Did you recently see any bullying taking place in school? Who was involved? Who was doing the bullying? Who was being bullied? etc.

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Jimmy

7:27 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

We really need to put the notion he was bullied to rest. HE WAS NOT BULLIED - HE WAS THE BULLY!!! Ask anyone he went to elementary school with, ask the administrators that sent him to an alternative school for most of the 8th grade. Ask the HS principal. MANY teachers saw what was going on. That is why he was in and out of alternative schools throughout Middle school. The kids in his grade were happy every time he got suspended (translated more than just a couple of times)because there was less bullying going on.

As far as giving the kids questionnaires, the anti bullying program in the school system is non-existant. It ammounts to lets put the bully and the child that was bullied in fromt of each other and saying, "shake hands and agree not to do it again". It's a disgrace!

Let's all take off our rose colored glasses and take a dose of reality.

Deborah

11:21 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

When did people change into these uncaring and cruel beings? Was it when you decided to take God out of your schools? These boys are both God's creations and He loves them both. Try love instead of judgement!

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Ashley

11:38 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Listen, Religon has no place in public schools. There are too many people of too many faiths that attend them and that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You want God in your children's life then you can send them to a private school or enroll them in Sunday school. It is not anyone's place to force their religion/beliefs on someone else. Aside from that, I don't feel most people have been cruel here. That boy is a danger to others and also has no place in public schools.

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cl

12:02 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

What most of you ignorant people are failing to realize is location!! I went to phhs and while I was there numerous kids carried guns. I would bet a lot that the kids who were bullying Bobby carried guns themselves. Take overlea high for example...right around the corner and they have metal detectors, u have to wear a see through backpack, and they even have their own police precinct ran right out of the school. I bet half of you dumb people have never even been to Baltimore and would be so scared you'd be locking your car doors once inside the city limits. Yes it was wrong to bring a gun to school but kids in this area do it and flaunt them all the time. His first shot was a warning shot that's it!!! When dumb ass Jesse wasmer tackled him was when the gun fired the bullet that hit the kid. Proven fact because numerous kids that were there are saying the same thing get your facts straight. For this boy who was alone and intimidated by kids with guns the story isn't far fetched. Almost all of the charges need to be dropped and reckless endangerment sound more about right as well as charging him as a JUVENILE!!!!! You guys live in nice suburbia and know nothing about Baltimore. Do some homework and shut up about something you know NOTHING about!!! Free Bobby!!!!!!

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Jeanne

10:41 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

You are the "ignorant" person. Bobby was not being bullied, he was the bully. Bobby was also rude to people who tried to be nice to him. He has a long history of being a problem. The first shot was in fact not a warning shot and did hit Daniel in the back, other students would have been shot if it wasn't for Jesse Wasmer stopping Bobby. Get your facts straight before you mouth off and sound nasty. Bobby was not "alone" many people tried to help him but he ignored them all. Bobb was not "intimidated" in school. PHHS is in Baltimore County not Baltimore City and it is a good area were people do not run around with guns showing them to people. Bobby brought a shotgun and a lot of amunition to school. He loaded the shotgun and shot another student and was stopped before he could shoot anyone else. Bobby seriously injured Daniel and other students were physically injured as well. Bobby needs to go to jail for his crimes.

cl

12:14 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Forgot to mention when I was a sixth grader at phmiddle one of my classmates got expelled for having a stun gun...hello?!

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