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OPINION: How Do You Feel About Constitutional Carry?

Campaign For Liberty Baltimore County will discuss Second Amendment rights and will be proposing a bill for the Maryland General Assembly Wednesday night in Timonium.

 

How strongly do you feel about the Second Amendment

If your answer triggered an emotionally charged response then the Holiday Inn in Timonium is the place to be Wednesday night

Local constitutional rights activism group Campaign For Liberty, Baltimore County, will be discussing Constitutional Carry laws, as well as the prospect of proposing a new bill for the Maryland General Assembly. 

Constitutional Carry, or as some call it "unrestricted carry," makes it legal for law-abiding citizens to carry openly or concealed fireams with or without state permits.  

"Wear an empty holster, or slide a pocket constitution into an empty holster in order to support this issue at our event," reads the last line of the "Constitutional Carry With Paul Dembowski" Facebook event. 

Paul Dembowski, president of Maryland Shall Issue, will be the featured speaker.

But Patch wants to know: Where do you stand on Constitutional Carry laws?

Currently, four states permit carrying a legal firearm (almost without restriction): Alaska, Arizona and Vermont and Wyoming, according to the National Association For Gun Rights. 

To better frame this debate, view the group's FAQs section here


Related Topics: Campaign For Liberty Baltimore County, Constitutional Carry, Holiday Inn Timonium, Maryland General Assembly, Maryland gun laws, National Association For Gun Rights, and Second Amendment

DCMerkle

11:39 am on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

I think that because my father was a Baltimore City police officer, I was taught a healthy respect for firearms in the fact that only those to uphold and protect the law should carry a gun. Many years later I took a course on how to fire a gun, but still to this day I do not own or want to own a gun. I do not see for now or for the future any need for a citizen to want to carry a gun. Todays world is too angry for anyone who is stressed out to be trusted to own or carry a gun. I don't care how many background checks one would have to go through before they could buy a gun, there's no way to really check what is on a potential criminals mind when they present themselves as sane.
If a gun owner doesn't renew a license then what is put in place to prevent that owner from continuing to carry the gun? Are there going to be police that will go around day-to-day, knocking on those owners doors to take the gun back? Will the owners be fined for every day that they do not renew the permit? How will these guns be tracked if they are stolen from the owner? Will there be a LoJack installed in them? Wait, did I just give the State an idea as to how to create an extra revenue? I hope so.
The word "random" to me has taken a whole new meaning. Such as random shootings in schools, post offices, hospitals, and churches. Can anyone really claim that they are sane enough to own a gun?

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Harry Callahan

12:52 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

DC makes all the arguments I would make IN FAVOR of issuing permits to carry a concealed weapon to law-abiding citizens in the State of Maryland. In DC's post, he/she says, essentially, that the mental stability of a person is the primary determanent as to whether or not a permit should be issued. In fact, it is because a person is, as DC puts it, "stressed out" and might commit a violent criminal act, that the rest of us (DC excluded) SHOULD be able to carry a concealed weapon to protect ourselves. DC stated earlier in his/her post that he/she does not want to own or carry a firearm. That's fine with me because I don't want unqualifed people carrying firearms either. However, DC's lack of interest in protecting his/her own life cannot be allowed to trump my right to protect my life and that of my family from criminals who carry and use firearms every single day to commit crimes against law-abiding citizens.

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Bart

1:04 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Harry, you've missed the point of the gathering. Thay want to allow ANYBODY (law-abiding, whatever they think that means) to carry, concealed or open, without a permit. That's just what we all need. State Fair, 4th of July celebrations, Orioles games, everybody with a holstered gun on their hip.
Great, just great.

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Larry Dog

1:46 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Bart, I think you're missing the bigger picture. If you check out the true statistics of those states where the carrying of a firearm is made easier than Maryland (either no permit or easier-to-get permits), you'll find that those states are BY FAR the states with the lower crime rates. Please don't be swayed by your fear of the unknown. By saying that "everyone [will have a] gun on their hip" is an extreme overstatement. There is a world of difference between everyone will be carrying versus everyone has the right to carry. There are many states where responsible residents are currently allowed to bring their arms to State Fairs, 4th of July celebrations and sporting events ... and also supermarkets, liquor stores and banks. If these responsible people were committing the crimes, wouldn't we be hearing about it, and very loudly so. Why would responsible Marylanders who carry arms commit crimes in different numbers than the responsible residents from other states? Respectful answers to this question are welcomed.

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Sean

1:48 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

I just don't see the point. People argue that their their rights are being infringed upon because they can't...carry a gun with them at all times? How do you even logically get there? You're LUCKY if that's the only right you feel you've been denied. In a way it reminds me of when a child sees another kid with chocolate; they therefore immediately want chocolate. They didn't want it before, and they don't really need it, and they probably won't even eat it, but now all they want is that chocolate. And they want to tote that chocolate around everywhere...including and especially in their state's capital building (which is an argument I'll never fully understand). (Not an exact connection, but you get the point).

At what point would most of us even need a gun? Chances are if you were being mugged, you probably wouldn't use it for whatever reason (the mugger already has a gun, fear, no time, etc.).

Lastly, people are stupid. Not just criminals, but law abiding citizens as well. I'd venture to say at LEAST 50% of law-abiding citizens should be nowhere near a gun, and certainly shouldn't be trusted to carry it around. When I think about my time working in retail and how many incredibly dumb (not to mention rude) people I came across, I wince at the possibility that any of them would want to obtain a conceal/carry license. "Sorry sir, we're all out of that item" would become a lot more dangerous.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just giving my opinion.

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Larry Dog

2:07 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Sean: We are supposed to be living in a society that is a free society, one that actually has FREEDOMS and LIBERTY. When I hear you say that I am “LUCKY if that's the only right you feel you've been denied”, it makes me sad that people see life in this country this way. My rights are my rights and they are INALIENABLE (shy for irresponsible behaviors). They can not and should not be denied.
It is a mute question to ask whether you think I should be allowed to carry an arm. In a free society, if I am a responsible person, then I should be allowed to exercise those rights.
I defer to my previous post regarding your “we’re all out of that item” statement.

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Rick Saffery

8:01 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

You're certainly entitled to your opinion Sean. I thank you for taking the time to share it. Here's the thing, fundamental rights aren't predicated by one's stupidity nor intelligence. Using your rationale for bestowing of 'rights' in accord with 'trust' would tend to preclude the majority of the people from doing pretty much everything; reading, writing, using the telephone, consuming food, believing in a higher being, driving automobiles, swatting flies. What value does your opinion merit under a more cerebral filter?

With respect to your retail experience, I'd suggest you dealt with many a customer who was armed and you were unawares. It's safe to say we're all glad you didn't have to face a force escalation dealing with rude customers. But that's luck and luck runs out. The issue I raise and others of like mind is that the current enforcement of bad law restricted your inalienable right to counter the likelihood of such a thing happening; regardless its probability.

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Sean

9:42 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

@ Rick

My issue is that I'm not so concerned about the majority of people, regardless of character, writing or reading or having an opinion or speaking freely or practicing religion (although sure, these things can be indirectly dangerous). But the ability to carry a gun with one at all times, something that can end a life in a millisecond, that's where my concern is, and that's where I think the rationality, the character of (what I believe to be the) majority comes into question. We tend to group all these things together, but I think the ability to speak freely, for instance, has far different implications than the ability to carry a weapon that can inflict immediate damage.

@ Larry

I guess my concern lies in who deems behavior responsible. There are restrictions for criminals, sure, but as I said, and I understand you don't agree, there are people, law-abiding good people, who I wholeheartedly believe should be no more trusted with a gun than a felon.

My comment about being "lucky" stems from the fact that I'm a gay man who recognizes that constitutionally protected as equal or not, people in my community are still denied rights. (Not trying to start a new debate, just pointing out that my comment was not meant as one of those that is usually instantly countered by "well then you should leave America!")

Rick Saffery

3:29 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

We have two issues here. The first is we each possess an inalienable right to self-defense. How we implement that in practice should be up to us as individuals in a free society. The second concern is with respect to the law. Our inalienable right to self-protection is codified under law. DCMerkle advocates a firearm restricted model that is contrary to both our national constitution and our state constitution. Apparently the only thing DCMerkle learned from his police officer father is a healthy disregard for the law. Police officers cultivating such misguided notions of tyranny in their children further bolsters support for Constitutional Carry.

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DCMerkle

9:07 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Mr Saffery,
First of all my father taught his daughter a healthy respect for the law and firearms. I learned that a gun is not a toy to be played with or joked about. I learned that long before gun safety became a law. Misguided notions? I really think your gun is in the wrong place.

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Rick Saffery

11:15 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Ms. DCMerkle, I hope my subsequent response to yours follows the thread in some reasonable chronological fashion. Chalk it up to the limitations of this forum if that's not the case. That aside, the issue at hand is one of self-defense not necessarily restricted to firearms. I make no limitations on what other free people exercising their inalienable right to protect themselves choose to use. I'm curious, why do you limit defensive tools to the narrow scope of firearms?

You've stated you possess a healthy respect for the law which isn't supported by your rhetoric. The constitution is the law. Using that as our guide, it's clear your straw-man posits for licensing, sanity-checks, 'randomness' and speculation on others level of stress may appeal to you on an emotional level but it doesn't merit standing against the law.

Your subjective fear of others and what they may do is a matter for you to reconcile. It's hardly sound rationale for destroying the basis of our constitutionally prescribed liberty.

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DCMerkle

11:43 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Mr. Saffery,
Choosing not to own a firearm is my Constitutional right also. It is also my right to let those that are trained in handling firearms such as a police officer or soldiers to protect me. I do not see any of my statements as going against the law or the constitution. The Constitution is like the bible; it's interpreted to one's own needs or point of view. In your case it's warped.

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Rick Saffery

12:51 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Ms. DCMerkle, you're correct in that you may choose not to defend yourself nor your property as you see fit. But, we'll have to agree to disagree that you don't have a right to abdicate what is your duty of self-preservation to others. I don't doubt for a moment you desire that outcome. It's just not constitutionally prescribed. Neither LEO nor soldiers have any legal nor moral justification for protecting you.

I'm a former infantry soldier. I took an oath only to protect and defend the constitution and to obey the lawful orders of the officers and NCOs above me. That said, Ms.DCMerkle can you elaborate specifically what is warped about my crystal clear perspective? I mean beyond the fact you disagree with it.

Robert Armstrong

7:08 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

The whole myth about crime going down in "Shall Issue" states is a myth and was debunked a long time ago.
I agree with Sean. Do we really need a bunch of Frank Conaway's chasing Adam Meisters down the street with a gun??

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Rick Saffery

7:40 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Would you care to cite a reference Armstrong? Or do you prefer to simply 'Shoot from the hip?"

Robert Armstrong

7:13 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

I just Googled "Campaign For Liberty" to see what these group was about. They look like a bunch of Nutjobs.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/about.php

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Bart

11:59 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

It's people like these who have given "Liberty" and "Patriot" a bad name. Heaven help us all. Look out for the black helicopters.

Rick Saffery

7:39 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Thanks for the plug Armstrong!

Campaign for Liberty espouses:
Our mission is to promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity.

All are welcome. I extend a personal invitation to Mr. Armstrong. Our group is civil and open-minded Robert, I gather from your words that such meetings may be unfamiliar territory for you. Step out of your comfort zone and come by.

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Robert Armstrong

7:49 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

No, I don't want to be associated with a Ron Paul cult.

I just finished reading a NYT best seller entitled "Gun Rights" It lays all the famous gun v. crime studies out side by side. There is no correlation one way or the other between "Shall Issue" and crime. It doesn't really go down and it really doesn't go up. All those Lott and Mustard studies were horribly flawed.

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Rick Saffery

8:25 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

According to Mr. Armstrong the NYT also supports 'Shall Issue' or 'Constitutional Carry'. As they came to a conclusion that more weapons in more hands doesn't increase crime. Looks like the 'Sky Is Falling' hysterics have nothing to worry about. Therefore, it's imperative we support fellow citizens in exercising their inalienable rights.

Come join us Wednesday night to join the discussion on this timely and relevant topic. I look forward to meeting old friends and some new.

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Robert Armstrong

11:31 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

You are a weirdo Rick. Are you going to talk about how income taxes are illegal too?

LOL MSI is gearing up for a Zombie attack. Is Dembowski going to tell us how we can defend against a Zombie attack?

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Rick Saffery

12:22 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Mr. Armstrong your personal jabs would be amusing were they not so sophomoric. Please consider breaking this conversational habit you've adopted. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt in having achieved a slightly higher level of maturity than what you've demonstrated on this forum. I cannot speak for MSI nor can you. Come to the meeting if you want to hear what Mr.Dembowski has to say.

Rick Saffery

11:45 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

@Sean, I believe I perceived your point-of-view on firearms correctly as one related to the immediacy of consequence. You're certainly not alone in holding such view. That's the nature of any implement used to inflict damage. It's true for knives, swords, arrows, machetes, firearms or baseball bats. It's also true for fists, feet and elbows. To deny a free citizen the right to use a device of their choosing to defend themselves or their belongings presents a moral hazard. You place them at the mercy of mobs and those of greater strength, speed and unarmed fighting ability. There's never any justification for doing this.

No law, however well intended or crafted, will ever prevent someone from doing another grave physical harm. Law enforcement has no obligation to protect you nor your property from damage. These truisms bolster the need for people to reclaim an obligation to defend themselves that they shouldn't have delegated to others.

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