A Baltimore County task force voted last week against considering an elected or hybrid school board. The vote on the motion by former County Executive Jim Smith drew swift condemnation from some parents and some elected officials. But we want to know what you think.
Vote on our poll and tell us your ideas in the comments.
Glen
6:11 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011
The County delegation to the State Senate and House, and the County Council should all join together and demand that this be on the ballot for referrendum next election to be weighed in on by the electorate. At the same time, voters should all remember which candidates for office voted with Jim Smith on this. It is a sham that the County citizens have virtually no say in how our schools are run, and the politicians who play the game think they can continure business as usual.
Glen Thomas
Jolie McShane
6:50 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Taxation with no representation...nothing will change until the citizens rise up. Frederick County did so 10 years ago. We should do the same.
Richard Cook
8:00 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
It is more important that the school board represent the diversity of the student population than that the school board be an elected group. Sadly, taking judicial elections as an example, Baltimore county-wide elections would likely lead to an all-White school board, which would inevitably lead to charges of insensitivity towards our ethnically very diverse population of students. An all White Board would provoke needless contention around educational policies and oversight. I am glad to see the Task Force act at in the interests of maintaining racial diversity on this Board. If the Supreme Court, back in 1954 in the Brown v Bd of Ed decision, had mandated representative school boards when it mandated school integration, much subsequent white-only local school board resistance to integration around the country would not have surfaced and distracted everyone away from quality education goals and into side issues. Here in Baltimore County, let's not relive those pointless, self-defeating episodes.
M. Sullivan
9:32 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Last I heard, minorities have just as much right to vote as anyone else. If they choose not to, so be it. If this is not "fair" enough, then move to an area where the minority is the majority. Baltimore City would be one example. Their school system is a fine example.
Bill Howard
8:30 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Getting real sick of you and Dunbar Brooks making this about race. It's not about race. Get over it. How about some representation for all citizens who want a voice in our schools and not just the educrat elite club for once.
John Dingedahl
9:58 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
I read about the vote in the Sun Paper and I knew something like this would happen. I voiced my concern about the how the commission was made up to our councilman. This vote is just another example of the kind of politics we face every day (underhanded and backdoor politics by our elected officials) The article mentioned that when the vote was taken, there were no Republicans present. Should I say more!!!!
Bill Howard
8:32 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Looks like Baltimore County politics is taking after Chicago.
Robert Armstrong
10:22 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Frederick County has a Lily White school Board. It just proves the point.
Richard Cook
10:29 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
M Sullivan, You well state your case - that you prefer "minorities" not be part of the mix in our County. Which is exactly why "voting" on judicial and school board posts is so problematic. Representative diversity is an important component of a representative democracy - at all levels of decision-making. Reflecting diversity is essential to a well managed local jurisdiction. Without that, people will feel they are not being heard.
William Lutostanski Jr
10:40 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Richard , Useing your theory we should not have elections at all, because it would be somehow unfair or unjust. There should be czar and he should choose all of our representatives. The people, all humans, vote for our elected officials. Everyone has an equal chance, just as they would running for a school board position. Your veiw on this issue has no merit, this is not 1960.
Carole Miller
10:35 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Robert if you mean "
Lily White" as White Americans ,nothing wrong with that . White people are GREAT !!
Eric Wyckoff
11:33 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Carole,
All people are GREAT !!
johnny towson
10:40 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Richard. Diversity is necessary in our society to achieve our potential. ANY school board member, appointed or elected, should not allow their own ethnicity to influence their decisions concerning BCPS administration.
Meg O'Hare
12:54 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Thanks to Patch for trying to determine (even in an unscientific way) what the people of Baltimore County want with regard to filling the school board seats. I think that is the job of our elected leaders! Glad to see that Zirkin and Laugherty held out for letting the people decide.
The result was so predictable. Pander to the public. Make them think that they have input and that their opinions count. Juryrig the result using slick politician (Jim Smith) and slick political move (having an unannounced vote with council member and other representatives absent.
Baltimore County government has the school board in its pocket now with the majority of members caring more about what Baltimore County Exec and his "old political boys in Baltimore County want than with whether the students in Baltimore County Public Schools are making sufficient progress each year to ensure that they are literate and able to think and prepared to earn a living in the 21st century.
I am disappointed. Next watch what the school board does with the superintendent position. Look for "old boy" loyalist names to surface as candidates for Superintendent as the board tries to decide whether to offer Dr. Hairston another contract or try to fill the superintendent job with someone with ties to Baltimore County Government. Students in every zipcode have progressed academically under Dr. Hairston's leadership for 12 years, but that will probably not be a consideration.
John
10:00 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
The unchecked power of Joe Hairston under board members such as Meg O'Hare is the reason for the outcry for an elected board. Ironically, Miss O'Hare now supports the notion since she was not reappointed. Perhaps responsible behavior by past board members such as O'Hare and ethical behavior on the part of the superintendent would not have led to the frustration felt by the citizens of Baltimore County. I hope and pray that the current board does indeed seek new leadership so we can get past the "old board network" that supported the personal endeavors of their friends over the best interest of our students. It is rather funny that those who operated in such a manner are now the pot calling the kettle black. The members of the board most recently appointed offer hope. Thank you.
Kati Van Poppel
1:08 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Diversity... race,religious views, sex.. wow, We are talking about our Children. I think what is best for our children and their education needs to be what is important. Has everyone lost touch with the children. I want to know that my 5 year old has every opportunity that the person who sits next to him on the bus, no matter what race, religion, or sex. I want to know the my sons saftey is thought about. I want to know that he can learn and excel, but can get help if he has issues. I want to know that I can communicate and have a say in what is going on in his daily education. How do I do that? I vote, I want a say. I may not have the degrees in education, or I am not even a teacher, but I am a parent who wants my son to have a great future.
I believe that the board should be elected by our citizens and I believe that some of the board should be appointed.
Wake up everyone it needs to be about our Children, the future! ABC's and 1,2,3's.
Donna
3:54 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
While I believe the board should consist of those elected by the voters, I'm not opposed to having some appointed so long as the voters have a say in who makes the appointments. Those on the Board should be representative of the students who will be affected by their decisions.
johnny towson
6:30 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Sen. Zirkin put out a good letter today updating his constituents and encouraging everyone to take the poll here at Patch. Well done Patch.
Buck Harmon
7:53 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
What would the students think??
John
8:35 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
I would like to see a return to the Board of Education Nominating Committee. The committee should have a set composition including representatives from the 7 council districts, the 5 BCPS bargaining units, the PTA of Baltimore County and other stakeholder groups in equal number. Candidate names and background information would be submitted to the committee for discussion. The committee would then submit name to the County Executive. The number of names submitted would be the number of BOE seats that are open for appointment plus one additional name. The County Executive would be required to select from this committee approved list.
This process would allow for county control of the BOE selection process, give all stakeholder groups a voice in the process and avoid financial factors that would limit community members who run in a county-wide election.
Kati Van Poppel
9:19 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
John,
To political! To corrupt, Again, As a parent I don't know that these people have a true motivation to make the county schools the best. I would be a better Board member as a parent than most of the people on the board now. I have not other motivation other than making sure my son has the best education. I know how to create a budget, healthy eating, and I am up to date on today's technology. People we need REAL people on these boards. I don't want people, whom only think aout how much money is going into their pockets, or what THEY as an individual has to gain, but they need to think our future and thier needs. One of them could be our future officals, presidents etc, and then they would have a stake in YOUR future. How would you want them to do it?
When you think about the future of the School Board, and you don't have a child or grandchild, go into a grocery store and ask the parents.. I am so passonate, Please, give me a call... I will be happy to help! Please look at their faces and relate it to TODAY, not 50 years ago, Not even when I was their age (30+ years), but TODAY. It is a different world.. Lets look to the children!
John
9:43 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
Kati, there is nothing in my plan that would prevent you from submitting your name and serving on the school board. Do you believe that parents, some of whom would make outstanding school board members, will be able to raise the amount of money it takes to run an election campaign? An elected (or even 1/2 elected) board is too political. We see it now in almost every election, the best person isn't always the person who raises the most money. But, far to often, the winner of the race is the person with the greatest financial support.
If you submit your name and your background supports the facts you state, that you would make a better school board member, your name could be one of those passed on.
I'll bet you there are already people, waiting for the elected school board, and already raising money to fund their campaign. One of them, with a post above, was the worst school board member in the history of the school system--but if elected she could be back making stupid statements and creating problems. I for one, don't want that just because there is financial support from somewhere.
Bart
9:56 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
John, you have just stated the reason I'm not in support of an elected school board. Fund Raising! The system you proposed sounds like the way it used to be. The board members had the kids' welfare as their #1 priority. There was always a nice mix, and they all worked very good at what they were passionate about.
An elected school board would become too political, because if somebody asks for money from someone else, there will be a payoff expected somewhere down the road.
The best advocates for our children's education might not be the best fund raisers, glad-handers and back-slappers.
Robert Armstrong
10:59 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011
If Lou Grasmick wasn't dumping major $$ do you think his his wife would have made it as far as she did?
Bart
8:36 am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
For the past several years, Maryland Schools have been ranked #1 in the Nation by many ranking organizations. I think Nancy Grasmick did a pretty good job while she held the position, and will leave some might big shoes to fill, no matter WHO her husband was.
John
5:52 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
But she left the position after forcing the Race to the Top Grant on the state and with no way of meeting the requirements. She pushed the committee to set 50% of student achievement for evaluations. No one knows how that's going to be measured. Local school systems are working on that part of things--but will admit there is no one in this nation that has a valid method for using that standard. Of course, she's not alone in jumping ship at this critical point. A majority of state superintendents jumped into the same life raft and sailed away leaving school systems hanging by their thumbs with a deadline they can never meet.
Cassandra Umoh
9:01 am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
I support Senator Delores Kelly Ph.D. The Govenor would make sure that diversity exits for this very important issue.
Kati Van Poppel
9:29 am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
John,
So again it goes to one thing Money! What does that have to do with My childs Education. What are the requirements to be a school board memeber?
Money is needed?
No, I don't have money!
A high profile resume with big corporations?
No, I worked in the same industry for 18 yrs and quit recentley to spend more time with my family.
Connections?
Lived in Maryland for 10 years..
I know that I am a parent who wants what is best for my son! The background of those people making the decision should display:
Morals
Ethics
and display that the Education of our Future is the most important thing of their job.
The current board was grievously unethical in its behavior, so they don't qualify in my book. I should have a choice.
Rasing money for an election for what..? Take the money they raise and donate it to the school, Have you looked at the budget? Wow..
I will take donation of poster board, markers and someone who has better handwriting than I do. Put the money to the schools.. No I don't have my name on the list, but give the parents a voice!
John
6:06 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Kati, it's a sad fact of life but "money is the root of all evil (and politics). And you are reading things that aren't there. It shouldn't be about who can raise the most money. And where did "high profile resume" come from? I believe I said "background information". A statement of what would make you an outstanding candidate for the position--a caring dedicated mother who wants the best for her children and who is willing to commit to doing the job. I don't believe that having a working resume makes anyone an outstanding candidate for a school board. Look at what we have now. They all have well written resumes and they are, for the most part, no more than a bunch of puppy dogs with their heads bobbing up and down to whatever Hairston says. I applaud your choice to leave the working world to raise your children, I think that's wonderful. I also don't think it would disqualify you from a place on the school board. Now, your comment, "Rasing money for an election for what?" does cause concern. It takes large amounts of money to run an election--even for a seat on the school board. Elections are big business, nothing more, and the biggest pocketbook is usually the winner. Take a look at the Texas State School Board--most were elected with the backing of churches. Now, they are trying to turn back education to pre 1950's. They are editing school books, etc. to keep their backers happy. I agree that money should not be an issue but we are not in a perfect world.
Betsy Sexton
1:25 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
The League of Women Voters of Baltimore County supports a mix of elected and appointed (hybrid) method of selection of the school board. In 2010 we came to that position after a process of study and membership consensus. To read our fact sheets which include pros and cons of each method, go to www.baltimore.lwvmd.org and click on “Our Published Studies”.
Betsy Sexton, Co-President
League of Women Voters of Baltimore County
Paul Romney
2:21 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
I had been in favor of an elected school board, but after reading this string and the LWV study I find myself in favor of the status quo. "John's" arguments are especially persuasive. Democracy may be the least bad political system, as Winston Churchill famously said, but majority rule can often be very insensitive to minority concerns. The current school board has shown itself responsive to public opinion on several issues, and I am not aware of any crisis which requires a radical change in the mode of selecting it.
johnny towson
2:40 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Sometimes I find it incredibly difficult to accept some of the perspectives I read. To choose the Churchill reference above is to ignore many of his inspirational thoughts that helped motivate humanity to be its best, especially in times of adversity. To accept the status quo of our electorate and to lose faith in our system, as Paul and John do above, is to lose hope in a better America and a better Baltimore. The reason we must have our voices heard in circumstances such as the one involving the panel's arrogance and indifference, is to stop the facilitation and apathetic response to the erosion of what has made our communities great. I will not give up on any voice that feels oppressed and whose aspirations for bettering themselves is being held captive. The people will learn to be responsible for themselves, their neighbors and their governments or we will perish. The first step is believing the people can and will; and then giving each other the support we need to help ourselves and each other.
Kati Van Poppel
3:03 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
johnny towson...Yes!
John
6:10 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Hey, at least people are having discussion and thinking. I think that was the point of the article. Anything is better than what we have now.
John
7:45 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Take a look...http://www.schoolboardcampaign.com/ First item this site brings forward "Budget Planning".
johnny towson
9:19 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
"Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice. If he abdicates his power, he abdicates the status of man, and the grinding chaos of the irrational is what he achieves as his sphere of existence – by his own choice."
Richard Cook
9:43 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
"The basic fact about human existence is not that it is a tragedy, but that it is a bore. It is not so much a war as an endless standing in line. The objection to it is not that it is predominantly painful, but that it is lacking in sense." Mencken
johnny towson
10:21 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
My initial reaction was that Mencken was an unusual choice for you Mr. Cook. However, fear and low self-esteem dominated Mencken's opinions so much so, that his best means for achievement was to strictly believe only his own dogma. Any differing perspectives were met with cynicism. His was a philosophy of contradictions: like supporting elitists while championing the oppressed. I do applaud the choice of Mencken, for its subtlety in that he did acknowledge Rand's work early on, but I am not convinced of his motivation. I also applaud your passion for civil equity and justice, but differ on approach on how to best achieve the opportunity and capacity we both seek. Acceptance and tolerance must be accompanied with open hearts and minds; regardless of the history and future of our personal journeys.
Richard Cook
11:01 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
"We promise according to our hopes; we fulfill according to our fears." — François La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)
johnny towson
11:22 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
Human agency is not dead. You are fighting the windmills. Paranoia is alive and well, but must not dominate your courage to do what is right or to think outside of your comfort zone. Faith is what baffled Nietzsche. But I will remind you Mr. Cook, we have survived everything in life thus far, what makes you think tomorrow will be different? Everything will be OK; try remove self and replace it with Faith. Humans are good, you are good. I accept your questioning of humanity but it is our purpose in life to have love in our hearts and and to find the courage to keep love on our minds.
Tracie
10:30 am on Sunday, September 18, 2011
Don't believe the hype!!! I must respectfully disagree with Bobby Zirkin on this one. Baltimore County Public Schools is ranked pretty high locally and nationally for graduation rates of African-American males, in particular. We all know about the challenges of keeping young Black men in school and graduating them. The School Board is currently appointed by the Governor upon recommendation from local officials (legislators, county exec, etc.). To leave the task of deciding who gets on the Board to VOTERS will greatly decrease the probability of having any diversity on the Board. We all know that some do not vote the way and as often as they should, and only generally pay attention to "big" elections, like President. Our voter turn-out is historically LOWER than almost every other ethnic group.
Richard Cook
11:44 am on Sunday, September 18, 2011
Trace H Sharp,
Very well stated. It is more important that the school board represent the diversity of the student population than that the school board be an elected group. Introducing electoral politics into the school board selection process - with the politicians' need for dollars and their temptation to promise results that have nothing to do with quality education, is not the way to run this railroad - except maybe of the tracks.