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Debt Ceiling Fallout: Moody's Places Baltimore County on Watch List

Baltimore County has been added to a watch list by Moody's, one of three major bond rating agencies in the country.

The county touted the retention of its triple-A rating—the so-called "triple triple"— from the three major agencies in a July 29 news release.

But Moody's on Friday announced that the county along with more than 300 other state and local government entities around the country would continue to be monitored—a sign that the debt ceiling debate and deal at the federal level continues to trickle down from Washington.

The current bond rating assigned to the county remains unchanged, according to the statement from Moody's.

"With the raising of the federal debt ceiling, the risk of a U.S. default is removed, and the (triple-A) ratings assigned to the U.S. government, and directly and indirectly linked U.S. public finance ratings have been confirmed," the statement reads. "While these indirectly linked issuers' outlooks were moved to negative as a group based on the identification of certain shared characteristics, their outlooks will be reviewed on a case by case basis in the coming weeks. In order to have a stable outlook, an issuer will need to have credit quality that could be expected to remain higher than that of the U.S. government in the event that the sovereign were downgraded from Aaa."

Appearing on that list with Baltimore County are: the state of Maryland; Harford, Howard and Montgomery and Prince George's Counties; the cities of Bowie and Rockville; and the Washington Suburban Sanitary District.

Bond ratings are meant to reflect the stability of the investment with a triple-a rating being the most secure.

Lower ratings cause governments to pay higher rates of interest to investors making the money borrowed for roads and buildings more costly to taxpayers.

County officials said they were not concerned about the Moody's announcement.

"We are very confident that our history of responsible fiscal management and the changes that we've made to employee benefits will lead Moody's to leave Baltimore County unchanged," Don Mohler, a county spokesman, wrote in an email response.  "We believe we are the most fiscally well managed and sound County in the nation."

Buzz Beeler

2:07 am on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Interesting, very interesting. I have been been writing till my fingers are blue (not my face) about the perils facing not only the federal government, but state and local governments as well.

The left paned Fox for it's reporting and guess what, Fox hit the nail on the head. Neil Cavoto was spot on.

Think for a moment, 47%of the people in this country pay no federal taxes. Over 45 million are on food stamps, the largest ever.

Look at the city and the numbers that are unemployed compared to the numbers that have jobs.

The financial woes are impacting nations in Europe which could lead to a global crisis. Japan recession lasted years, because they to import many of their goods like we do.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/grossdomesticproduct/a/Japan_Recession.htm

The riots in London were more about the disenfranchised than the shooting. Remember Paris a couple of years ago. So many with so few jobs. No where to go but the streets.

Our current GDP is 100% of our debt. Congress is in gridlock as pandering on both sides impedes any real solutions. Power is the name of the game and entitlements is the means to stay in power.

Just take a look at Baltimore County's recent retirement list and the monies paid out. It is insanity. Almost $1 million in cash before the first 6 figure pension check arrives. I forgot, that was for one person. Bryan you need you cover this.

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Ann Miller

10:27 am on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Don Mohler's not concerned? A head in the sand doesn't inspire confidence in me. Cut entitlements and tax funding of non-profits that are nothing more than Democrat-socialist PACs. CASA de Maryland for starters. Maryland is so reliant on DC government jobs that elected officials are lazy about truly stimulating jobs and controlling spending. Just continuous over-regulation and over-taxation of small businesses and corporations that provide jobs. Thanks O'Malley and the Democrat monopoly in Annapolis.

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Tim

1:13 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Yeah, this isn't targeting anyone in specific.

This is more of Moody's telling states and counties "hey, your national Congress is collectively irresponsible, and as a result we are monitoring you guys".

Our (federal) government could EASILY get out of this mess in three simple actions - but no one has the will to implement them.

Here's a hint: Two of the three things are specifically what got us INTO this mess (over the past decade, these two things contributed nearly 7 trillion to the debt - 50% of the debt today)

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Bart

1:44 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

The ratings agencies are more concerned because there are those who have a say in these dealings (Congress) who felt it would be no big deal if the U.S. defaulted on its debt. Nobody can do anything about it. This debt is for expenses that have already been incurred. Reducing expenditures is for the future.

These responsibilities have already been accepted, and must be paid.

States that rely a lot on payments from the government are being watched. Hopkins is one of the biggest employers in the State and surrounding counties, and much of its funding comes from Federal Research Grants from NIH and other agencies. The Social Security complex in Woodlawn is all Federal dollars. There are others. So Maryland's economy, and, thus, the counties and Baltimore City are all tied into the feds.

And until the Tea Party people, and those who have signed their oath to Grover Norquist realize this is not fun and games, we are all in great peril.

These downgrades affect just about everything from our Credit Card payments, Mortgage payments to the price of gas and a loaf of bread.

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Robert Armstrong

1:53 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

The usual suspects try to finger point like it's a Democratic problem when one has to look no further than the Republican bastion of Virginia and see that they have the very same problem.

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Buzz Beeler

1:54 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Tim, I would guess one would have to be entitlements. Another possibility is the interest on the debt, which is costing $29 billion a month.

Our debt is just about 100%. of GDP. Our exports of $1.8 trillion is smaller than most countries and could, if expanded to a modes rate of growth, impact our GDP.

The more we export the more we need to make. Cars going out instead of coming in.

I think there is no alternative at this point but to raise taxes because using any other option cannot deal with the huge debt we have accumulated.

There are some economists that believe that we will never balance our budget and will always be in debt.

Surprisingly we still provide foreign aid to China.

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Tim

4:03 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Buzz: Actually, wrong on both guesses.

See, I'm actually OK with most entitlements.
- I think Medicare is a mess and can be trimmed without hurting seniors. I also think Obama's PPACA should be rescinded, and tabled until the economy is in a better place.
- I see nothing wrong with Social Security. It'd be more solvent then it already is if the government would pay back the millions it "borrowed" from it over the decades. It needs refinement, but less so then Medicare.
- I also think the unemployment insurance extentions in place now are good, and humane. If someone wants to end them? Well just take a look around the world (today: England) and see what happens when you give people no hope.
I could rattle off 5 or 6 more opinion points, but instead let me clear up what those two actions I mentioned previously are:

1) Pull out of Afghanistand and Iraq - today. The "War on Terror" has cost this nation approx 5 trillion in up front costs. Just the up front ones. A couple months ago I researched the actual costs based on data from both the Treasury website as well as White House Budget docs. There's a margin of accuracy in my figure of about 10% or so - it was the best I could do/find. However, even at 4.5 trillion, that's still 30% of our entire 'debt'.
2) Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts. All of them. The Bush tax cuts since implemented in 2001 have cost this nation 1.5 trillion towards the current deficit.

and...out of post space.

Tim

4:09 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

The final point I want to hit is corporate tax reform. I believe we can lower our corporate tax rate, and generate more revenue by forcing everyone to actually pay it.
If you look at the US Debt Clock site, you'll notice that "Corporate Taxes" comprise just 10% of total revenue gained. Surely, this isn't anywhere near the 35% that corporations are supposed to be paying...right?
(and yes, I know the correlation isn't direct - however I am pretty confident that the entirety of all corporate income is a little bit more then 600-700 million :) )

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Buzz Beeler

6:17 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Tim, according to some analysts the entitlements cannot be sustained. For example the county cannot continue to pay out million dollar pensions, and that is just one employee.

You can't sustain unemployment insurance indefinitely. The country has never be productive with a 9.2% unemployment rate. No president has ever been reelected with a rate that high.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/25/news-flash-entitlement-spendin

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/06/simpson-leaving-entitlements-auto-pilot-crush-economy/

Remember, 47% of the people in this country pay no federal taxes. I think if you look at every recession in history, attempting to tax our way out of it failed.

Growth in our GDP allowed for increased revenues for government coiffures.

I agree that not only are the wars costing us dearly, but so is foreign aid. We lost billions in Iraq solely on a lack of accountability.

I think I am correct on this, they only way the county funded the pension system is they floated a bond in 87. They float bonds to pay for almost everything. All those questions at the end of the ballot are giving them permission to float more bonds.

I would bet the county's debt is approaching somewhere around $500 million or more. When I get chance I'll look at the county's budget. If you added up the amount in the last election on the ballot questions it totaled over $200 million.

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Tim

10:57 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Buzz: We could probably sit at the bar and drink beer all night and agree on most things. I agree, pensions are unsustainable and really, outside of a few professions, should never existed to begin with.

The problem with the term "entitlements" is it's an amazingly broad spectrum. Some entitlements absolutely need to go. We could probably list 20 of them and agree on most. Others need simple to moderate tweaking.

The bitter pill for this country is this:
Conventional wisdom/history says you spend your way out of a recession.
However, all of Europe is going the opposite direction of this. There's a reason Germany is in the shape it's in - it's because less then 5 years ago they put strict fiscal restraints/requirement for a generally balanced budget INTO their Constitution.

Additionally, you've got these bond rating agencies demanding the US also get the debt in order. This, again, is somewhat counter-intuitive to what plenty of economists suggest you do.

This puts America in the position of either taxing their way out, cutting their way out, or somewhere in between. I agree it's got to be "in between" but the fact is you can't tax people that aren't working.

As long as Teapublicans are in charge, they are going to simply cut, cut, and cut some more. As this happens, we'll get closer and closer to our own little Riot Week here in the States. It's happening (or happened) all over Europe AND the Middle East.

Robert Armstrong

6:30 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

That "47% of the people in the country pay no Federal Taxes" is bogus. It's a myth.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxes

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Tim

10:54 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

This is true, however it's more of an indication of the state of the middle class then anything.

It essentially takes a married couple with two children, making only $46,000 a year, to qualify as "eligible to pay no federal taxes".

This also overlooks the fact that although these people pay no "federal income tax" they pay many other taxes like the rest of us.

Truth be told, I'd rather pay my federal taxes then be in the above scenario.

Buzz Beeler

7:16 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

I'll use one of your favorite tactics. Is that the same NY Times that was forced to give up a Pulitzer because of fabricating a story?

As you are fondly know for claiming others who use links are run by bigots, the Times is run by left wing zealots.

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ESA

7:51 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

@ Robert Armstrong -
You said, "That "47% of the people in the country pay no Federal Taxes" is bogus. It's a myth", and then you provide a link to back up your claim.
You must not have read the link you provided.
From your link-
1st - "According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is"

2nd - "Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year"

Just wanted to let you know.

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Buzz Beeler

11:22 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011

ESA, I am posting this because it came to my in box and has not been uploaded yet. This is the level of intelligence you are dealing with. And to this person everyone else is a bigot. He claims to have three college degrees, speaks 6 languages and spent most of his life in the military.
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Robert Armstrong commented on the blog post Debt Ceiling Fallout: Moody's Places Baltimore County on Watch List

"ESA ,Booze Bueller doesn't respond to anybody unless they post with their real name. What an A-hole!."
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Show me an educated man that would write like this. Show me a military man that would stoop to that level and write like a child.

If makes no difference what you say to him, he is not capable of grasping it.

Why would you write something like that and completely embarrass yourself?

That sounds like a kid on a playground.

He is not very apt at responding to any questions. He is afraid of exposure. As the saying goes, "The truth hurts."

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Buzz Beeler

12:28 am on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Tim, you brought up some good points. The whole issue of the debt crisis leaves us in a quandary.

I think the real answer lies in getting the economy up and running. Bring back the manufacturing jobs and focus on the quality of the product and workmanship. Some companies are already doing this.

Pay a sustainable living wage and put Americans back to work. Allow for small business to prosper and get the government out of the way.

I think the stats will bear me out on this, that most new jobs are created by small businesses.

The unions must understand that the days of wine and roses is over. When government workers are paid on an accelerated scale compared to the private sector it only adds fuel to the fire.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

There are no easy solutions to a crisis of this proportion, but we have to start somewhere.

The government has become a giant uncontrolled bureaucracy draining the tank empty.

We are seeing the results of socialism faltering in Europe. Once you give out the goodies, it's hard to take them back.

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Tim

12:25 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

The real problem is the best way to get the economy up and running is to properly (I emphasize, properly) spend money.

Stimulus plans/money giveaways = poor method that doesn't appreciably produce jobs or sustained spending.

I'd also argue it is the middle class spending that actually creates jobs - not small (or any) business.
As the middle class continues to get bled dry - by unnecessary wars, by various other government overspending, corporate greed, wall street and bankers irresponsibility - the demand for products is reduced. As a result, supply has no choice but to drop as well. Instant economy shrinkage.

I generally agree with you on unions. It's one subject I don't really have a firm answer on however, as in my view you need unions in this country about as much as you don't. A country 100% union would be bad for business, A country with no unions at all would be bad for workers. A topic for another discussion. It's a sticky situation.

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Robert Armstrong

12:40 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Australia is 100% Union and it is one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

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Tim

2:30 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Robert: How long has it been 100% Union? If it's been Union for only a short time, then the point may have some credence. If it's been Union for 20+ years, then it's merely a coincidence.

Plus, this is Australia. Their GDP is what, 7% of ours? If you compare GDP's, I'm not seeing this growth you're speaking of:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:AUS&dl=en&hl=en&q=australia+gdp#ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:AUS:USA&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en

Robert Armstrong

9:16 am on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

This is like dealing with "Dumb and Dumber". Read the entire articles that I linked to. Don't take things out of context.
Now Bueller is taking advantage of being in a Union (aka a Fraternal Order) and is now trying to turn around pee on the same people who allow him to live comfortably after his "illustrious" career. If you really feel the way you do then maybe you ought to call up the FOP and tell them to take everything back. It's to generous for you. What in the heck do you know about the private sector anyway? You hve been sucking off the government teat all your life.

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johnny towson

1:22 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Robert, Australia labor force is about 20% unionized. They conduct equal trade with China that amounts to 20% of all imports and exports. They aggressively produce energy, to include oil and natural gas and accordingly are far less reliant on Middle Eastern imports. They promote balanced, free trade which allows them to achieve greater industrialization. They are a very different nation than the United States.

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Tim

2:41 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

but really, it just makes them more self sufficient (not a bad thing!).
Their debt/GDP ratio is very low (22%). That alone doesn't make them a strong economic power though as I noted above, their GDP is 7% of the USA's.

I will also note that their country' GINI rating is at .331. This is very low compared to the rest of the world, and essentially what it means is the lower and middle class has it better over there, then here (relative to the wealthy).

The US's rating? .469 (another example China is at .415)

Buzz Beeler

2:16 pm on Wednesday, August 10, 2011

Robert, now let me get this straight. You claim to retired from the military as a major, (false) so where are your checks coming from?

You see when you don't exactly tell the truth, you begin to forget what lies you told and you can't keep you self straight.

You also made the statement that you spent most of your life in the military so that would mean you are included in your last sentence.

If I recall I asked you several questions recently and as usual did not hear back from you.

You may be getting government checks but I seriously doubt they are coming from the military. I even said I would show you how to scan your military records and put this to rest. It's been months of requests followed by silence.

Who paid for your three college degrees that you claim to have. There is no college graduate I know that writes like you do.

You see Robert, once you reveal your true self the facade is up.

By the way, after 39 years of paying dues in two major cases, the FOP did not help me. The situation was just as I said. The county would not stop unless the FOP took action which they ultimately did in the Blake case which they won.

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